Standblog - Mot-clé - web-services - CommentairesTristan Nitot sur la technologie, l'Internet et les libertés numériques2024-03-19T18:09:38+01:00Tristan Nitoturn:md5:82ecb6a121c45d09243dc58cde2a1c14DotclearPrivacy is a currency - Gervurn:md5:377fdbf3a1df11096216a415563e639f2010-03-02T12:01:54+01:002010-03-02T12:02:15+01:00Gerv<p>The thing about privacy is that the exchange rate of the currency is different for different people, and the value of it (like in any exchange which benefits both parties) is not the same on each side. I may decide to put a $50 value on the privacy of my list of friends. If that list is worth $100 to Google or Facebook, and they will provide me with $70 worth of services in return for it, then clearly the exchange is a beneficial one. However, if you value your list of friends at $500, then it would not be a good exchange for you, if all else was the same.</p>Privacy is a currency - Havvyurn:md5:9d903a6cd4bc1e5c315dc7528866939b2010-02-20T04:20:57+01:002010-02-20T09:31:38+01:00Havvy<p>If you believe that you gain more net profit out of talking with others on Facebook over the loss of privacy is worth it, then there is net profit. Privacy in the sense of knowledge of a person is a privilege, not a right.</p>Privacy is a currency - Asaurn:md5:099f5f2a42ea398441e9905dc58faf0b2010-02-19T20:07:24+01:002010-02-20T09:31:39+01:00Asa<p>I really like Daniel Solove's taxonomy of privacy. We really do need a much cleaner way to describe privacy issues if we're going to construct rules (and software) that addresses those issues properly.</p>
<p>The two cases that I'm most concerned about are the ease with which large Web companies like Google can conduct nearly undetectable surveillance across most of the Web (think about how many pages have one of Google Adsense, DoubleClick banners, Google Analytics, YouTube videos, Google Maps mashups, Re-captcha logins, Blogger infrastructure, Google Site Search, all of which could be used to track your movements around the Web) and how much of our data we're willingly handing over to be stored for long periods of time in accounts we don't fully control (search records, Web mail, news readers, blogs, IM, etc.)</p>
<p>- A</p>Privacy is a currency - Tony Mechelynckurn:md5:4fb7084d3d768715a3c4122c7191990f2010-02-19T15:48:13+01:002010-02-19T16:37:08+01:00Tony Mechelynck<p>And yet there are still ways to keep your privacy private. Crypted zipfiles enjoy a "poor" grade of secrecy — about one hour for a 4-character key or one day for a 6-character key, it is said, if the cryptanalyst has a Pentium 133 and knows some cleartext that is bound to occur somewhere in the message — yet it is better than nothing. I correspond with some people in English, with others in French, with others in Esperanto, and with one in a strange mixture of English, Spanish, Esperanto and French — I wonder what Gmail makes out of that. I take some time every day to "train" my spam filters (both Gmail's "Spam" and SeaMonnkey's "Junk" filters, as I read Gmail mail by POP3) by reclassifying both false positives and false negatives, and of the "true" spam messages (which include any advertisements that Gmail's "partners" might be sending me, be it — apparently — for lotteries, Viagra substitutes, marrying Russian girls, anything written in Russian or Chinese, or helping the widow Mobutu lay hands on her deceased husband's Swiss bank account <img src="/dotclear2/themes/default/smilies/wink.png" alt=";-)" class="smiley" /> ) I rarely read more than the Subject, if even that.</p>
<p>Hugo: all three, I think, and maybe even more. The privacy of one's home = l'intimité de son foyer. To disturb s.o.'s privacy = faire intrusion chez qn. There is no privacy here = on n'est jamais seul / on n'a jamais la paix ici. The Privacy Commissioner = le Commissaire à la protection de la vie privée (Canada).</p>Privacy is a currency - papagaiourn:md5:e2071b029e2edda9dff60b08db7f6f6f2010-02-19T12:56:28+01:002010-02-19T14:02:33+01:00papagaio<p>It makes me even more confident about the fact that internet is not a place of privacy, rather a huge agora where we all meet (google is a master in there, look @ what orkut worked and still works like), but we have to separate what we want to display from what we do not want...After all we have to grow and stop thinking of this place as a kid play ground and a source of fulfilling of our secret tendencies. On the contrary everything we do on internet is shown and transmitted with a loudspeaker... so why not using it and have our 15 minute of fame, like through blogging (have a glance @ mine by the way).</p>Privacy is a currency - Hugourn:md5:7800354a3e7a3833777a5b49ac0f8e322010-02-19T11:34:49+01:002010-02-19T12:05:16+01:00Hugo<p>Thank you for sharing this interesting analysis.</p>
<p>However, this clearly puts me in an uncomfortable position… because 'privacy' is more and more difficult for me to translate into French (and so, to understand what it means).</p>
<p>What is your opinion about that? Do you think that the distinctions « vie privée », « intimité », « discrétion » are still relevant to explain all the different aspects of “privacy?”</p>